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The Controversial Nature of Comment Threads

Opinions are great! Think first and put them in the proper forum.

One of my friends updated her Facebook that she was saddened by the Plainfield tragedy. Curious, I looked to Plainfield Patch (Go Patch!), knowing I would find a story from a local journalist's perspective.

What I didn't expect to find was a thread of . 

It's not just the readers of Patch. I have seen this on The Huffington Post, New York Times and NBC Chicago's websites. 

People have the ability to be so cruel. 

Words have power. Technology has accelerated that power to a questionable point. 

I believe in freedom of speech, but I wish that people would think a lot more before exercising this right. 

I am an opinionated person and I'm not afraid to share my viewpoints in the proper forum. 

A news story about 3 teenagers dying in a tragic accident is not the proper forum to express opinions about texting and driving. It is not the proper forum to express any opinion. 

If you think texting and driving is a problem among teenagers - great. Start a blog. Ask if you can blog for Patch. Make a hundred Facebook status updates about it. 

But please, don't spew it in a comment thread that a grieving family is sure to read. 

Divette June 7, 2012 at 03:00 pm
OMG... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. AND WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT ANYWAY. PEOPLE WEREN'T IN THAT TRAGIC ACCIDENT WITH THE 3 TEENAGERS. NO1 KNOWS WHAT REALLY WENT WRONG. WELL, ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT WE KNOW. BUT, WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS TEXTING WHILE DRIVING. THIS WAS A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY & PEOPLE NEED TO RESPECT. LIKE U SAID THERE R OTHERS THAT WILL READ THESE TYPE OF COMMENTS. FAMILY, FRIENDS ETC... & LIKE U SAID... THEY CAN START A BLOG ON TEXTING WHILE DRIVING & ALSO ABOUT ALL THESE TEENAGERS DRINKING AT ALL TIMES & ALSO DRIVING. PARENTS NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN NO MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE. ESPECIALLY, IF THEY R STILL LIVING WITH THEM. THEY SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THEIR KIDS AT ALL TIMES. I HAVE 2 TEENAGERS & BELIEVE ME... THEY CAN HATE ME TODAY B/C THEY WILL EVENTUALLY LOVE ME TOMORROW. I HAVE RULES IN MY HOUSE & THEY NEED TO RESPECT THEM & FOLLOW THEM.
Vicki Dallmann June 7, 2012 at 03:21 pm
BRAVO, Katie!!! (Didn't the Trib, some time ago, eliminate comment threads on certain topics due to this very issue?) As thought the tragedy itself wasn't enough, when I was reading the thread the other day I found myself in tears over the ignorance and blatent disregard for others I was seeing. And isn't it odd how the TROLLS won't use their real complete names? hmmm... Anyhow... Thank you to Katie for speaking out!
Tim June 7, 2012 at 04:07 pm
Oh give me a break.
You have no problem with 'reporting' on a tragedy on a site that is designed to attract comments to drive hit counts, but suddenly it is a problem when people post their thoughts on it. You may not like their thoughts, but that does not change their thoughts. I don't like their thoughts either, but I am not so arrogant to think that they should be censored to protect my ego. Insinuating that people need to 'think' about their comments, implies that you think they didn't think about what they posted simply because they dont agree with you. Is that how you see the rest of the world? That if only people would think, everyone would amazingly come to the same conclusions and viewpoints as you? If you don't want to hear what people are posting, then perhaps the editors should censor themselves and not post the story in the first place. Attempting to place blame on comments, is dodging the responsibility of the who posted the story in the first place. Every blog that has gone down the road of micro-managing its comment section has failed or disappeared into obscurity. The world is full of people you are going to disagree with, but implying they don't think is the height of arrogance, and makes you no better than the people you are attempting to criticize. Censoring them will not change their views, it will only deprive others of reading the views of those they live around every day, perpetuating a sheltered view of reality.
Sheila Raddatz June 7, 2012 at 04:17 pm
Anger. It is the second stage of the grief process. I didn't read all the posts that this article stems from. I see that some comments were deleted and that is all I know. I do not live and die by the Patch. :o) What I can say is that Plainfield is a melting pot of personalities, cultures and beliefs. Everyone has their own way to deal with the topic of death and there are various stages that people go through when a loved one passes. This tragedy has impacted everyone in some way and has probably twanged a few personal pains of seasons past in a reader’s journey to have had certain reactions. Technically, that is what a good story does—stirs emotion.
I truly believe what the posts offer is some sort of sounding board that may not come across as “PC” as people like but it is what that person feels. We all need to realize that we all can’t view or react to the same situation in the same way. Expecting the world to view things in one way is absurd. A story isn’t just a couple lines that show up in a post, there are many facets to every story and every post. They all should be heard to offer the multicultural views on a situation. Why is everyone so afraid to hear the other side of the story? At the same time, I believe that swearing, intentional and direct name calling, slander and etc isn’t warranted on a professional site. The pseudonyms are the real issue make people accountable for their comments and things will clean up.
Sheila Raddatz June 7, 2012 at 04:18 pm
Tim, are you and I actually on the same page on a topic? haha
Cindy Abrahamson June 7, 2012 at 04:26 pm
The problem is the anonymity of the internet allows people to spew whatever hateful, racist or simply wacko statement they can come up with. It's a (sad) power trip for them. Any family member who has suffered a tragedy should know never to read the comments on websites. You'll find little or no comfort there.
BitterBluePoison June 7, 2012 at 04:29 pm
In a distorted kind of way...I believe Katie is saying it is not nice to fart loudly at the dinner table while in a public setting. I just happen to agree with her. There is a time and a place.
Jerry June 7, 2012 at 05:29 pm
It's what I have told my kids for years...because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Jennifer Milkeris June 7, 2012 at 05:39 pm
I personally think ALL this comes down to RESPECT!!! In my opinion, too many people lack it. Would you REALLY say those disrespectful things to ANY of these people TO THEIR FACE?!? I think not. I can't help but feel like some people all of a sudden, from the comfort of their home and no one knowing them, grow "balls". I'd really just like peole to remember the old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", expecially in tragic situations. Show some respect and class, and save your "balls" for another topic.
Tim June 7, 2012 at 05:47 pm
Some people find it offensive to invoke the name of god when discussing a tragedy. They feel that it is a slap in the face to say 'you are in our prayers', or 'god be with you', because they believe that if prayers and a just god were real, things like this would not happen in the first place. Do you take others into consideration when blindly saying these things, or do you think everyone is just like you? The phrase 'praying for something is the opposite of doing something' exists for a reason.
So don't go talking about respect, unless you are willing to take ALL peoples idea of respect into consideration. But then, there wouldn't be any comments at all, because someone somewhere is going to be offended by what you feel is a perfectly valid concern. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who decides? You? Let people post whatever they want. What is offensive to you is not offensive to everyone else, and what is offensive to someone else may not be offensive to you. As long as there are no death theats(and I did not see any of those posted), there is no reason to think your comments are any more important or respectful than anyone else's. And if you were to take responsibility for yourself, you would understand that the solution to reading things you don't like, is simply not to read them. It is not to try to control what everyone else posts in an attempt to sanitize your world to be the way you like.
Tim June 7, 2012 at 05:50 pm
Mostly, yes.
I do disagree with the pseudonyms being the problem though. I don't think anything needs to be 'cleaned up'. I enjoy reading all posts, as it gives me a better perspective of the types of people that I live around.
Plainfield Conservative June 7, 2012 at 07:54 pm
All I know is that there are numerous places on Rt. 126 (between Plainfield and Yorkville) where there are no traffic signals which forces many to take a huge risk every time they try to enter from a side street when traffic is heavy. What I can't believe is that there are people who think that there must be very controversial extenuating circumstances (such at texting while driving) in order to have had an accident of this nature.
Yes, there were young teens in a car but sometimes things just happen (no matter what the age/gender, etc.) and it doesn't mean that anybody acted with any malice or negligence. That being said, I'm sure that some of the posters who wrote the off-colored remarks didn't think that the families would read them and were probably just letting off some steam of the grief that we all are feeling by trying to blame someone or something for the tragedy that occurred. I'm sure that some believe it was a senseless accident that didn't have to happen, but the truth is that sometimes bad things happen to good people too. We can make sure that they didn't die in vein by being EXTRA vigilant and careful when we travel these roads and remember that it's okay to take an extra minute to make sure that we can safely make a turn, or be ready to slow down/pull off the shoulder for those who may not make a smart choice and pull out in front of us a little too early.
Mouse June 8, 2012 at 03:02 am
Wow....talk about irony. This is supposed to be a news site, not a funeral home memorial wall. Here's a little hint: If you don't want people expressing themselves then disable comments on your stories. That'll make you hypocrites but evidently being one is not an issue here. I was flamed mercilessly for suggesting that white garbage bags be cleaned up from the trees almost a year after a local teen funeral--one of the flamers was a Patch staffer--so this particular entry doesn't surprise me at all.
You want to restrict comments to "appropriate" places, then create a general comment section at each Patch site.
Katie Kather June 8, 2012 at 03:13 am
Patch bloggers aren't "affiliated" with Patch so there is no issue with conflict of interest. I just want to clarify that I never stated that people shouldn't express themselves or that comments should be disabled - not once. Many people have missed the point of my post, which is that people should be respectful and that is all. I am glad that people read my post and shared their thoughts. I love the conversation.
BitterBluePoison June 8, 2012 at 03:02 pm
Katie...your point is obvious it's just that some folks like to be argumentative & find any excuse to cause discourse. It is easy to be heartless but it takes love & wisdom to be understanding & considerate. A lot of folks are lacking in that respect.

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