This whole Chick-Fil-A incident has “my feathers ruffled.” Why you might ask? Thanks for asking, this has been brewing like “sweet tea” in my brain since it started. I’m a franchise owner too. I’m not a Chick-Fil-A franchisee, although I wouldn’t have minded being one this last week. I wouldn’t mind a 2 hour line to get into my business, but I digress.
So Dan Cathy said something that he believes from the bottom of his heart, and some disagree with him. Well, who exactly do you think you are hurting by boycotting Chick-Fil-A?
Dan Cathy is not in the business of selling chicken sandwiches, waffle fries, and lemonade. Mr. Cathy is in the business of selling franchises. So if you don’t like Mr. Cathy’s religious beliefs or his political beliefs then, please, by all means…..do not buy a Chick-Fil-A franchise.
I made sure to have lunch this week at Chick-Fil-A before I knew about the Wednesday Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day. Why? It had nothing to do with my opinion on what Mr. Cathy said, but it had everything to do with supporting my local, fellow small business owner. The franchisees are the ones that will be hurt by a boycott.
I think that some people don’t realize that franchises are not owned by the Corporation. These are your local neighbors who purchased a small business. The work hard, long hours to support their families like everyone else. The irony of being self-employed is that all of your friends and neighbors think you must be wealthy. I have been self-employed for the past 27+ years, and I will tell you, there have been times, that I never worked harder for less money. I am pretty sure, some of these Chick-Fil-A franchisees feel the same way. They are paying their mortgages, and most likely a loan on their franchise. So please think about the small business owners first, when someone calls for a boycott.
When I bought my franchises I did not ask the CEO about his political or religious preferences. And I have been thinking what if the CEO of my franchise said something to upset my customers. A boycott of my business would pretty much ruin me and my fellow franchisees within days. I may or may not agree with the CEO, but we as franchisees would still suffer. I was so happy to see the people who came out in mass to support these franchises.
I know, I know, a lot of them were there to support Dan Cathy, but so what. Men died so that you, and me and Dan Cathy can express our opinion. That is what it means to live in a FREE society. Click on the song lyrics below.
And I’m Proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m Free,
and I won’t forget the men to died, and gave that right to me.
So I gladly stand up, next to you and defend her still today.
Cuz there ain’t no doubt I love this land, God Bless The USA.
Vegasdog.
8:52 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
Well said Jean. These on-line conversations tend to get mean spirited so I'm going to avoid the "political correctness run amok" which will no doubt follow. Your points were thoughtful and succint. What's dissapointing to me is today there is a same-sex-kiss-in planned in front of CF's across the country. I think more people than not realize the reactionary misstep with regards to this issue. This kiss-in accomplishes nothing. It will simply make some people feel uncomfortable (does that promote tolerance?) and possibley goad others with more convervative views into saying something that will exasperate the issue needlessly. Why not let it be. As you said, in the end those most effected are sadly the minimum wage workers behind the counter.
Katie Kather
10:55 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
This is a viewpoint that has been neglected in almost all of the media coverage I have read. I was just thinking yesterday about how the employees that are stuck in the middle of all this are being affected. Thank you for sharing.
Jean Kuhn
2:00 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Hi Katie,
Thank you for your comment. Thank you for getting my one and only point.
Bert Jacobs
11:27 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
Jean, thanks for your post. You stated what all of us are thinking.
I think that the best story I heard on Wednesday was a sign on a
Wendy's restaurant in Columbia, SC. It said "We support Chick-fil-A,
Please eat there today ... we will."
Jean Kuhn
2:01 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Hi Bert,
Thanks for your comment. I'm saving my money, if you ever get boycotted I'm am buying a picture!
Jeffrey Ownby
11:46 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
Dan Cathy is in the business of collecting money from people who sell chicken sandwiches. The franchise owners pay 50% of their profits to the Cathy family. And we know that a good chunk of that 50% goes to organizations that actively fight against equal rights for an entire group of Americans.
You, as a franchisee of Rocky Mountain Chocolate Company in La Grange, failed to mention this in your blog post.
Franchisees do not have to ask the Chick-Fil-A CEO what his beliefs are. He tells them and expects them to agree with him before you can own a franchise. These people know what they are getting into and they are all lock-step with his beliefs.
The thousands of people who came out to buy chicken sandwiches the other day were not doing so to support the local franchises. They were ALL coming out in their support of hatred for a whole group of American people.
People who are my friends and my family. And you say "so what"?
Jeff Ownby (family of 6)
La Grange
Matthew Hendrickson
1:15 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
I think it's hard to say what ALL of any group of people are doing, Jeff. I also think that what Cathy does with whatever profits he makes off the company and decided to do with them should necessarily reflect on the franchise owner either. But I understand your points and appreciate you adding that view to the conversation.
Jean Kuhn
2:21 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Hi Jeffrey,
Thanks for your comment. Just for the record, I'm not hiding that I own 2 Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory stores, one in LaGrange and one in Orland Park. In order to blog on the Patch, I am not allowed to self-promote, and I respect that rule.
So, I did a little research and you are right, CFA franchisees do pay a 50% profit royalty, BUT that is because they are getting into a business with only $5000 down. While that is not a good business model for me, I respect
While I do believe that they are told this is a Christian company with Christian values and beliefs, I have a very hard time believing he sits them down and says "this is what you need to believe too". I did find this today during my research that I thought you might be interested in: http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-gay-pride-festival/
I'm telling you that I respect your opinion, and I respect Mr. Cathy's opinion, and I absolutely ate at CFA on Tuesday in support of the Small Business owner in Orland Park.
Are there "Christians" who are so fanatical about their beliefs that they hate those of us who don't believe what they are preaching?.....YES Do I think Dan Cathy is one of them?....I don't know. Do I support other small business owners like myself anyway I can?. Absolutely.
Damon Kagel
9:33 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Well put Jeff, most of these folks miss the point entirely. Substitute gay for African American or Jewish and the conversation is much different.
Kevin
1:04 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
"They were ALL coming out in their support of hatred for a whole group of American people."
You simply don't know what ALL those people were thinking. On the other hand, we do have an insight into how you think and it appears to be quite prejudiced.
christine
12:45 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Well said Jeff, and now I will no longer be going to Rocky Mountain Chocolate, I choose not to support people who hide their hate and pure ignorance behind the wall of sympathy for the "hard working american."
Matthew Hendrickson
1:19 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
To those who say you won't shop at Rocky Mountain anymore, I think you're misreading Jean's point. Jean isn't siding with a political or social point of view, she's simply saying that she supports the franchise owners. I think it would be wrong to not support a local business simply for that support.
On the other side, I think Cathy probably should have kept his mouth shut, so that he didn't hurt the franchise owners by making that statement. But, everyone has the right to say what they're personal beliefs are too.
Readers will have to weigh the various arguments and make their own decision on that subject as well.
Douglas Norton
12:51 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
The claim that marriage is a religious institution is disingenuous. I have never needed a church or religion to get married and you have to go to a courthouse to get a divorce. Mr. Cathy has a right to oppose a marriage in his church but no right in a court of law. Our constitution guarantees every American life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don't remember seeing any restrictions set. Oh wait there was one. The separation of CHURCh AND STATE.
Jean Kuhn
2:38 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Hi Doug,
I love that you can freely state your opinion here. We are on the same page with every American is guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And those franchise owners have the right to the same. Dan Cathy just made it difficult for them with his statements in the media.
Douglas Norton
12:53 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
And I too will no longer go to Rocky Mountain.
Linda Ryan
7:59 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Doug, with all respect, t believe you COMPLETELY misunderstand Jean's point.here. Or maybe I am the one who misunderstands? Help me out here, Doug.....Why on earth would you read this post and say "I will no longer go to Rocky Mountain." ????? What am I missing?????
Vegasdog.
1:06 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
As per my original point...and so it begins.
Jean Kuhn
2:40 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Anthony,
You are a smart man!
Douglas Norton
1:09 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
God said "Love thy neighbor. " Seems to me he left a gender requirement out for a reason.
Douglas Norton
2:19 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
The point of the boycott is to not give Mr Cathy a source of cash to fund groups that work to deny Americans civil liberties. If that hurts the franchise then the blame rests on Cathy alone, not the boycott.
Jean Kuhn
2:50 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Doug,
I understand the point of the boycott. I'm willing to be bet that the Cathy Cash will outlive you and me, and our children. My point is, a boycott will not hurt Dan Cathy. It will hurt the guy in front of us, the young people who lose their jobs, the local government who will lose the sales tax revenue,
If your brother owned a CFA, and his business went belly up through no fault of his own, I am assuming you would feel bad for him. You would want to help him if you possibly could.
Scott
3:45 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
If the Cathy family receives 15% of the sales and 50% of the pre-tax profit remaining then it will hurt them. It may cause them to donate fewer dollars to the hate groups they donate to. The operators (not owners) of Chick-fil-A know what their boss stands for and how he chooses to donate his money. They will have to deal with the negative consequences of a boycott.
I don't live near LaGrange or Orland Park so I probably won't shop at your store but I wouldn't boycott it based of your comments here (which I disagree with). If I knew that you were taking your profits and turning them over to hate groups then that would be a different story.
Mouse
8:29 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Jean, I could use that same argument against laws prohibiting all night bars and strip clubs in La Grange. The Village is deprived of sales tax revenue, and the potential workers are deprived of their livelihood. Come up with a better justification for your myopic excuses for defending this guy. It is not about the little guy on the front lines...he's just a pawn in this...it is about the larger question of whether you as a customer want your money supporting hate groups. Any franchisee hurt by this needs to take it up with Dan Cathy, not those who no longer frequent Chick-fil-a.
Andrew Vergeaghe
10:45 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
"Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
At some point we must stand up for what is right.
Douglas Norton
12:40 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Jean if supporting someone, friend or family, meant going against a core belief I held they would have to make due without my aid. And if you were a friend or family you would already know this to be true.
Cathy is using money he gets from franchises to promote hate. I'm sure the boycott hurts the franchise owner, the people working ther also. But it does not come close to the millions being denied their human and civil right to marry the one they love,
Kevin
5:18 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
The Defense of Marriage Act (1996) relieves the states from Full Faith and Credit obligations in the matter of same-sex marriages. Those who disagree with the law are free to argue for its repeal, just as those who agree should be free to argue for its affirmation. Those mired in the fever swamps (you know who you are) should consult professional help first and then join the conversation.
Andrew Vergeaghe
7:49 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Reject
Andrew Vergeaghe
7:45 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Kevin you are absolutely correct, our system of government is set so that we can take an active part in the formation of law. That's pretty awesome.
The idea that we as its citizens would allow a large percentage of our population to be relegated to a sub-set of citizenry denied basic rights is an acceptable.
What's more unacceptable is the blasé attitude taken by those who feel that, because they themselves are not denied those freedoms, we should allow the same freedoms to be denied others simply because they are different.
Fever Swamp- hardly
Mouse
8:11 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Mixing religion into marriage is as valid as mixing maple syrup into particle physics. Or to put it another way, marriage needs a church like a fish needs a bicycle. Marriage in the USA is a social contract between the couple and the state, not a church, even though the church is sanctioned by state to perform marriages once a marriage license is obtained by the couple. At the licensing stage, religion becomes mixed with government if that license is not granted to a same-sex couple. It's pretty simple, really...these laws prohibiting same-sex marriage are unconstitutional as they establish a state religion.
As for the comment that "I know, I know, a lot of them were there to support Dan Cathy, but so what. Men died so that you, and me and Dan Cathy can express our opinion. That is what it means to live in a FREE society", I laugh at you. It's evidently OK for you to express your opinion but not those who disagree with Dan Cathy. That makes you a first-order hypocrite.
Jean Kuhn
8:45 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Mouse,
I'm pretty sure I have stated repeatedly that I value and respect everyone's opinion. The funny thing is you all assume you know my opinion, on this issue, but how could you because I have never said what it is. BECAUSE that was not the point go my blog which I don't feel I need to restate. The irony here is you all assume Dan Cathy hates gay people, you assume I support Dan Cathy so you are calling me.....let's see...ignorant, a hypocrite, blaze, and my very favorite..... that I'm "hiding my hate and ignorance behind a wall of sympathy for the "hard working American".
You guys know nothing about me other than i' a small business and I support hard working small business owners. Ironic?
Mouse
11:25 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
For your information, I own commercial property in La Grange. I have helped support four independent owner-operated businesses for almost 20 years and have run mine for almost 30. We're all self-made and keep our political opinions to ourselves as they have no business in our business. I really don't care what Chick-fil-a does but people like you rushing to the defense of people who didn't vet the corporation who sold them their franchise (this bit of their religious pretentiousness is nothing new...it's been going on for decades) and the fact that the franchisee is just the operator, not the owner, of the outlet makes what the corporation's controllers do much more relevant. The WinShape Foundation (funded by Chick-fil-a proceeds) supports right-wing organizations such as Exodus International, a "pray the gay away" anti-gay operation. It also supports Focus on the Family, Family Research Council and the Eagle Forum, which is an anti-feminist outfit led by Phyllis Schlafly that would rather see you in the kitchen than running a business. THIS is what some people are objecting to, and the franchisee should have seen it coming. It is basic due diligence.
I expect you to be right in front objecting the next time some self-important crusader opposes a Hooters or Tilted Kilt franchise on moral grounds. If you aren't you are indeed a hypocrite who won't see that those opposing Chick-fil-a are doing the exact same thing but from a liberal view.
Mouse
11:27 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
A good trial lawyer would flag you for assuming facts not in evidence. You are being judged solely by your comments here, and it is your responsibility to state your position clearly and unambiguously. Dan Cathy's beliefs are easily vetted through the organizations he funnels millions of Chick-fil-a originating dollars to. No assumptions necessary.
Here's one place where you fall off the tracks: "I made sure to have lunch this week at Chick-Fil-A before I knew about the Wednesday Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day. Why? It had nothing to do with my opinion on what Mr. Cathy said, but it had everything to do with supporting my local, fellow small business owner." Why didn't you instead have lunch at one of the fine independent restaurants in La Grange instead of patronizing a corporation which has such hazy morals? That indie would get all of your money (not 50%) and you'd be making a much bigger statement. Instead you felt it was your duty to support someone who is caught between his business and the loudmouth who defines it.
(continued below, I'm over 1500 characters)
Jim
8:35 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Jean chose to have lunch at CFA, and not another small business owner location, to support a franchisee who others wanted to boycot because of something their stupid franchise owner did. She felt that a boycot would hurt the franchisee (who had nothing to do with what Cathy said) more than Cathy (who is who people wanted to hurt), and she wanted to help the franchisee instead. Nothing more. Stop trying to read more into it, and bring in all this religious and political crap.
I also own a franchise, and I can tell you that I did not research the founder before I bought. I did plenty of research on the brand perception, the financials, the location, etc. Maybe I'm a bad franchisee for not looking into where my founder donates his money, but I didn't. All you people apparently did that, and you don't like Cathy, or his business. Fine, don't spend your money there. As Jean said, that is your choice, and she supports that. Jean was simply pointing out that before you hold back your money to hurt Cathy, remember that holding back your money to hurt Cathy will hurt others that may not support him in this matter either. It is all about making sure you know who gets hurt before you act, not supporting Cathy. If you read her blog, and decide you still want to hurt the franchisee too, then that is also your choice, and she supports that.
I will not boycot Rocky Mountain, and will now shop there more often, to make up for you nasty people who will.
Scott
9:17 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
"I also own a franchise, and I can tell you that I did not research the founder before I bought."
Jim, we do understand what Jean was saying in her blog. What you and Jean don't seem to get is that Chick-fil-A is very different than other franchises. You and Jean own your franchise. The people who operate CFA franchises rent from the parent company. In other words, the franchise is the parent company. There is no separating the two. The operators can't help to know what they are getting into because the Cathy family is very public about what they and their company stand for.
Jean Kuhn
9:18 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Jim and Jim Boo....not sure if you are the same person.
Thanks for your comments and understanding my point whether you agree or not. I'm done with this conversation thread and off to write my a new blog.....about small business.
Jean Kuhn
9:45 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Scott, I did not know how different a CFA franchise is from a regular franchise until you all started telling me. I found it interesting that they can even be called franchises with that business model. I did call a few CFA stores and talked to the owners. They only agreed to talk to me if I didn't say who they were. These are people who would never had gotten a regular franchise because they would not have been able to afford it. I really only asked them about the business model. They are sincere, honest, hard working people.
I did not check out the beliefs of my franchisor. I checked the same things Jim checked.
We live in a society of religious and political freedom. That would never in a million years crossed my mind to care what they believe in. I understand that people might think its different in CFAs culture, and maybe it is. If it is, I find it very interesting that the franchise in NH is very publicly supporting the Gay Pride parade in his state in August. The truth is none of really know for sure.
Vegasdog.
1:29 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Nice posting Jean-I learned a lot! Thanks for taking the high road and for those that stay away, more chocoloate for the rest of us! : )
Jean Kuhn
3:51 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
You are pretty awesome Anython P. :-)
Vegasdog.
4:03 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
There's something that will evoke even more ire from the cyber world....(but thanks!)